Fourteen-year-old
TV host Alasdair Gillis is sucking on a lollipop and trying
not to let his gaze stray to the huge box of letters in
the next office. Most of them are addressed to him. And
they're nearly all from fans in the States - "about 200
a week," he says matter-of-factly.
But hardly any are from Canada, although his show You
Can't Do That On Television, made in the CJOH studio
in Ottawa, is seen in Canada too.
At school, at St. Pius in Ottawa, though they know he's
a TV regular, no on asks for an autograph. In the States,
he's something of a TV celebrity.
That morning he had just been talking to USA Today, the
million-plus circulation national paper, doing another
interview. His publicity files are full of interviews
with U.S. teen magazines and TV publications.
You
Can't Do That On Television, the brainchild of writer-producer
Roger Price, father of five and an eloquent advocate of
kids' rights, is something of a television phenomenon.
But not here, mainly on U.S. cable TV (the American name
for pay-TV) and specifically on the children's channel,
Nickelodeon
For anyone looking for further evidence of the old Canadian
complaint about having to go the States to make a hit
in the entertainment business, the show is a prime exhibit.
You
Can't Do That On Television started at CJOH in 1979,
and for a couple of years was firmly "Ottawa-ized" (Price's
description). It was aimed at an Ottawa audience.
Then U.S. cable TV got interested, and now its "internationalized,"
which is great for exposure, but has taken away the local
color.
Price, who came from Britain to do the show here, is big
in children's TV. He produced the top children's show
in Britain, Tomorrow's People, and while we were
talking took a call from PBC in the States to talk about
an hour-long children's movie he is working on.
You
Can't Do That On Television, he says, has "an average
two Nielsen" rating for cable TV in the U.S., which he
explains as reaching two percent of households with television
in that country. Dallas, by comparison, has a 30 Nielsen.
(In New York a Nickelodeon spokesman would not go into
ratings but pointed out Nickelodeon reaches 26 million
homes).
As for Canadian viewing figures, Price says he hasn't
checked lately. He has heard of a four in Hamilton, and
in Ottawa when the show started it was about five to seven
percent.
Price does not seem too surprised at the lack of interest
here. In Ottawa the show appears at 9 a.m. on Saturdays.
In the States, it gets shown for two half-hours daily,
at 4 and 7 p.m. He offers the schedule with a wry grin.
So why is You Can't Do That, with its basic skit
format, raw juvenile humor, wacky sketches and surprisingly
low budget (around $40,000-$50,000 a show), so successful
on cable TV?
Price is academic on that point. "Nearly all television
for kids starts form the premise how can we educate them
or improve them, or stop them from being the people they
want to be, and make them the people we want to be. I
want a show they find entertaining and which makes them
feel better about themselves."
In other words - fun, like dollops of green slime, one
of the show's trademarks.
Pause here to go downstairs to catch up on the skit Price
has been watching on a monitor while phoning in corrections
like "tell Vanessa (one of the children on the show) not
to call it a 'station.' Americans call it a studio."
In the chilly studio, standing on a plastic sheet, 12-year-old
Dougie Ptolemy is wearing baggy shorts, stick-on styrofoam
angel wings and a curly blond wig, and trying hard not
to look up at the bucket a studiohand is dangling over
his head.
Dougie has just used the trigger phrase "I don't know"
after a dressing-down from the show's regular male adult
symbol, Les Lye. Like a sinner on the scaffold, he is
waiting for retribution.
Because this is television, there's a pause while a director
does a countdown, "five, four, three ..." Then, Whoosh.
The slime is day-glow green, and plentiful. Apart from
shampoo no one knows what it contains. It happens twice
a show, and, Price assure the watcher, is harmless. Besides,
he adds, they pay the victim an extra $50 each sloshing,
"for the inconvenience."
Back upstairs Price, who is simultaneously working on
another production for cable TV, called Turkey Television,
which is being made partly in Ottawa, Toronto, New York
and Louisville, Ky., talks about where he gets his players.
They're all from Ottawa schools. "If they'd been brought
up in Hollywood, they'd all be big stars by now." Price
obviously means it, but cringes at the suggestion of any
'stars' in his show.
What he wants from his performers is the right kind of
parents. These he defines as "allowing no compromise in
wanting what is best for their child, and supporting them
in every endeavor."
What he gets from his team of 12 is enthusiasm, the kind
you give up school vacations for.
They come mainly from after-school drama classes run by
CJOH and the Ottawa Board of Education, a couple came
from the Ottawa Children's Theatre and one by writing
to Price and persuading him that he was right for the
part.
They are replaced when they get "horrendously large."
That doesn't necessarily mean physical stature, or even
age, one is left to assume, but something to do with egos.
In Gillis' case, he hints, it might have something to
do with his feet, which are now size 11. (asked about
this, Gillis insists they are actually 9 1/2).
Gillis, he recalls, saw the cast together at a local restaurant
one day when he was 10 and decided that's what he wanted
to do. One year later, he belonged. The season is his
first as host.
By now Alasdair Gillis is quite sure that entertainment
is going to be his career. At 14, he is polite, self-assured
and unfazed by fan-mag questions like "What kind of girls
do you like?" (Answer: "Someone with a good sense of humor,
who's fun to be with."
Price only has one problem with him: "He's hard for me
to write for, in some ways, because he's such a nice kid.
Comedy comes from having shortcomings, you know, but he
doesn't have very many."